New Chelsea China - Antique China and Fine China Collectibles Query

by Dianne Osborne
(UK)

New Chelsea China - Antique China and Fine China Collectibles Query: New Chelsea China Mark - used from about 1936 onwards

New Chelsea China - Antique China and Fine China Collectibles Query: New Chelsea China Mark - used from about 1936 onwards

New Chelsea China - Antique China and Fine China Collectibles Query:-


Hi Peter, Please can you help, my mother has just died and she has as new a tea set with side plates, pot, milk jug, sugar bowl and large plate in New Chelsea Staffs Fine Bone China. Is there anyway you can tell me if there is any value to this.

Many Thanks

Dianne

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Reply by Peter (admin)

To:- New Chelsea China - Antique China and Fine China Collectibles Query

Hi Dianne

Thanks for your interesting query about the New Chelsea China you inherited. I'm sorry you got hold of it in sad circumstances.

First of all I need to stress I don't do valuations. It is a specialist area requiring vast amounts of knowledge and research material.

Your query really sparked my interest because it brought to light some very interesting discussion points and something of a mystery.

I did not really know about New Chelsea China so checked with Goddens encyclopedia and online.

Based in Longton, Staffordshire, a company founded in 1912 called New Chelsea Porcealain Co. (Ltd) changed its name in 1951 to New Chelsea China Co. Ltd. This newer enterprise lasted only 10 years when it either merged with or became somehow associated
with a company called Grosvenor China Ltd 1961 to 1969. Grosvenor China was previously the brand of a company called Jackson & Gosling (founded 1866 and ceasing in 1961).

These intertwined company dealings are typical of Staffordshire makers and makes the history quite hard to follow at times.

What makes this New Chelsea pottery mark more of a mystery to me is I read in what is normally a reliable source that New Chelsea was part of the stable of R. H. and S. L. Plant Ltd (known for their Tuscan mark which later became the bone china maker for Susie Cooper).

This link is not been mentioned in my edition of Goddens and is not mentioned in any other of the sources when I cross-checked. I can only think the New Chelsea association with Tuscan/Plant is either a typo, or very little is known even by the best sources.

From about 1943, New Chelsea China Co. Ltd started to use the 'Royal Chelsea' pottery mark. I presume this was a marketing ploy as I don't know of any warrant to justify it.

If anyone else can shed any light on this mystery please leave a comment below.

Best regards,

Peter (admin)

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Trade marks
by: Anonymous

Really interesting site. I to have found some New Chelsea but the mark has only the anchor and New Chelsea Staffs could this be another option.
New Chelsea Staffordshire
by: cherie

Hi I have a "tea for two" set which is stamped new chelsea staff made in england and the anchor stamp. it has been in the family for many years but i know nothing about it.
It is a beautiful fine china with an hanging auturm leaf design coming down from the top ogf each piece in brown leaves with a yellow bud and a red inside the yellow bud as the flower is closing. I have loved this set for many years, but can you tell me any more about it or where i can have it valued???

Thanks,Cherie

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Me too! New Chelsea Staffordshire
by: Helen Walker

I too have old bone china I inherited from my mother marked New Chelsea Staffs and the number 5327, which I assume is the pattern number. The pattern is cobalt blue and gold on a white backbround. I have a sugar & creamer, 3 cups, 6 saucers, 4 small plates and one large plate. I can't find the pattern on the Replacements.com site. Any info on value would be appreciated.
egg cup and plate on stand
by: Annette forsyth

in africa recently i came across and old junk shop and spotted this nice litte piece of new chelsea china with the name henwoods on the base of the plate and henwoods durban on the base of egg cup can you tell me any thing about this it also has a scrab beetle pattern round plate and egg cup

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Peter (admin says)

Here's an extract from a fascinating and well written article about ex Art Director of New Chelsea, Palin Thorley www.chipstone.org

    "New Chelsea Porcelain produced exclusive designs for better-grade department stores such as Harrods in London, Plummers in New York, and Henwood in Johannesburg, South Africa."


Hope this answers your question.

Regards

Peter (admin)
fairy village 4885
by: nicky

I have found the most beautiful tea set in my mother's loft. Its called fairy village, new chelsea, staffs. No. 4885. I just wondered if it was worth anything. It's fairly clarice cliff in style - can you advise.
New Chelsea tea set
by: Margaret

I've read your comments with interest, can you help me please?
I'm searching for a tea cup in the lovely Kirby pattern.

Branded:
"Kirby"
New Chelsea Staffs,
Made in England, with the anchor symbol above,
no 4050 A

This was a wedding gift to me in 1950. Purchased in Australia, probably Perth, Western Australia.
Lovely floral pattern all around with ?foxgloves appear to be handpainted, with intact gold trim. It's a complete set of 6 cups, saucers and plates with jug and ?sugar basin as well as a cake plate. Never ever been used and apart from the age crack on one cup, it's in perfect condition.
Best regards, Margaret
New Chelsea Tuscan link.
by: craig

Hi. I found this conversation because I searched for New Chelsea Tuscan online . I collect Tuscan China Teacups and recently baught a New chelsea set which are an identical shape and the same lovely quality as the Tuscan ones I collect so came to the conclusion there must be some sort of link between the two companys. I can't find it yet but this conversation leads me to believe there could be something in it. Regards, Craig.
New Chelsea Sets
by: Jacqueline Parsons

I have also have a New Chelsea Set which I inherited from my mother 14 years ago, she inherited from her mother in the 1960's so it has been interesting to read all the comments regarding this company. My set is Cherry Ripe. A lovely complete 6 piece teaset including Sugar Bowl and Milk Jug. It appears there and quite a few designs. Lucky to own.
New Chelsea 12 piece Pimpernel Tea Set
by: Susie

Have a beautiful but incomplete Pimpernel pattern no. 4610. I am missing one cup and two saucers, but everything else is there. Is it possible to find the missing pieces? The milk jug has also been broken and mended, so it would be great to find a replacement for that too. Any ideas where to look?
looking for info
by: Gordon

I have a demitasse cofffee set Henwood New Chelsea China ( the logo is a hen standing on a wooden log (!) and the batch number is 4382. The pattern features a bird ( blue in colour)standing on a branch. I basically need to know the approximate value. Can anyone help?
Chelson China
by: Anonymous

After reading all your comments, I am more confused than ever as to why the name Chelson China was used. I have a lovely set of demitasse cups and saucers, decorated with on glaze enamel Japanese scenes. These items bear the anchor back stamp and Chelson China, as well as a second stamp 'Soane & Smith'. As yet I have been unable to find anything remotely similar, or anything relating to Soane and Smith. Hoping someone can enlighten me re the Soane and Smith stamp.
New Chelsea Pottery History
by: Robs Antiques

New Chelsea Porcelain Co. Ltd

c.1912–1951

Manufacturer of bone china at the Stanley Works, and subsequently at Bagnall St (Chelson St), Longton.

The New Chelsea business was established by brothers R. H. & S. L. Plant in about 1900 and traded as Plant Bros until about 1912 when the ‘New Chelsea’ name was adopted. The company continued to be controlled by the Plant family and during the Second World War it was concentrated with the parent firm at the Tuscan Works of R. H. & S. L. Plant Ltd. Post-1945 the New Chelsea business was re-established and modernised, but in September 1951 the business and trade names were sold to Susie Cooper Pottery Ltd and the new business then operated under the name New Chelsea China Co. Ltd.

New Chelsea Porcelain Co. Ltd produced good quality, moderately priced bone china teaware and coffee ware. In the 1920s the company produced some striking teaware decorated with colourful on-glaze enamelling. Trade names include Chelson China and New Chelsea.

The trade name Royal Chelsea was used from c.1943 especially on teaware for the North American market. Marks do not include the company name, but have the script ‘Chelsea’, ‘New Chelsea’ or ‘Royal Chelsea’ trade name below an anchor.
New Chelsea Staffs
by: Anonymous

Hi, I have inherited many cups and saucers,but mine has an anchor and then says "New Chelsea Staffs" made in england below. It is a pink flower pattern. Nothing else is written though.
New Chelsea Staffs
by: Anonymous

I have recently acquired a new Chelsea staffs made in England 5988 cups and saucer in Australia. Can you provide any information about on this.
new Chelsea, Staffs, Cherry Ripe
by: Rick Clayton

I have a 6 piece tea service (cups, saucers and tea plates; but no sugar bowl or milk jug etc)called Cherry Ripe - pattern number 4469. I am interested to know if it has value and if there is a good place to search for additional items.
You may contact me on rueveydt1050@hotmail.com
Sugar Bowl and Creamer
by: Kim

Hi, I have a sugar bowl and creamer set that is marked New Vhelsea Stafffs Made in England WM H Plummer & Co., Ltd. 7. 35th Street New York, City. I am trying to find out what there value is, can anyone shed some light?

Thanks,

Kim ;-)
Bizarre design
by: Graham

I have a teacup, saucer and plate which bear the "New Chelsea Staffs Made in England" mark below the anchor, but no pattern number.

The thing about these, though, is the design which can only be described as bizarre, weird, or "outre". The plain olive green background has been decorated not with a transfer-printed design, but rather hand-applied Indian Ink which has then been scratched away to provide the detail.

On the saucer and plate, the design features what appears to be a "witch" in a woodland setting with bats flying overhead. On the cup, there is a tiger on the front (although the face looks more like that of a domestic cat), and a snake on the back.

I picked them up in a junk shop in Selsey around 15 years ago, because they were so unusual. I've never seen anything like them before or since, and would be interested to find out if this was an official New Chelsea pattern, or whether it was a "one-off" embellishment carried out by a previous owner.

Photos can be seen here: http://www.dadween.plus.com/images/New Chelsea/
New Chelsea - Crocus Time
by: Jane

I found this message thread after Googling New Chelsea, because I've just found a part tea set in New Chelsea 'Crocus Time' in a cupboard in a 1925 house I've just bought. The flowers are almost identical to those on Clarice Cliff's crocus design, although the china style is more classical. Could there be a connection there, or a bit of plagiarism?! Does anyone else have any of this design?

Graham - just looked at your photos, I see what you mean about the unusual designs!
Could be a bit of 'influence' going on
by: Peter (admin)

Hi Jane

Yes, I think you might be right, as Clarice Cliff was designing from the late 20's to the 60's I think (off the top of my head).

See was an influential and original thinker. I don't think New Chelsea were particularly were they?

Let's use the word 'influence' . . .

Best regards

Peter (admin)
Proud owner of a New Chelsea Staffs piece
by: Fernanda

I bought a teacup and saucer in an antique market in Buenos Aires, Argentina and, doing some research online, I came across this string. The cup is so, so beautiful... I wish I could upload a couple of photos so you could see it. It cost me about 20 US$ which I was delighted to pay. I drink tea from it, I wanted a special cup for my earl gray that tastes better when drunk from a beautiful cup, doesn’t it? Mine says New Chelsea Staffs Made in England. It has an anchor and a handwritten number, 199 A, underneath the glaze. It looks very antique and luxurious, lots of gild, roses, rosebuds and hand painted garland. Simply beautiful! Cheers from Seville, Spain
Desperately seeking pattern
by: Kiki

My sister and I are desperate to find pieces of our grandmother's pattern
Royal Chelsea 372a

Can't find it anywhere..
Curious about additional stamp on bottom NEW
by: Andrea

I picked up a plate in a thift shop. The bottom has an anchor below it New Chelsea below that Staffs then MADE IN ENGLAND. Below that is, not mentioned in any email is:
WM H PLUMMER & Co LTD below that 7 East 35th St, NEW YORK CITY. Is this possibly the name and address of the importer? Also could "Staffs" refer to Staffordshire?
underglazed mark or overglazed or incised
by: edmundo

Hi everyone there are interesting comments on the marks of New Chelsea can I add more intrigue into the mix.
No one has mention incised marks on the base of porcelain I appear to have the Red Anchor, New Chelsea, Staffs but also an incised initial looks like LMni this may be the potter has anyone else any incised marks

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