PORCELAIN MARK - W + CROWN HANDPAINTED MARK ON PORCELAIN TEA or COFFEE SET

by Anon
(San Francisco, CA, USA)

PORCELAIN MARK - W + CROWN HANDPAINTED MARK ON PORCELAIN TEA or COFFEE SET

PORCELAIN MARK - W + CROWN HANDPAINTED MARK ON PORCELAIN TEA or COFFEE SET

PORCELAIN MARK - W + CROWN HANDPAINTED MARK ON PORCELAIN TEA or COFFEE SET QUERY: These were my great-grandmother's hand painted Coffee Set. She was born in the 1880s in Lowell, MA, lived in Indiana & New York. She passed away in the late 1950s. The plates say "Schmidt & Son" - all are marked with a hand painted crown and W.


Thank you for any help you can give in identifying where they were manufactured.

Best regards

San

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Reply by John (admin guest from Marks4Antiques.com):

To:- PORCELAIN MARK - W + CROWN HANDPAINTED MARK ON PORCELAIN TEA or COFFEE SET

Greetings

The hand-painted Crown marks on your pieces are actually "overmarks", which are usually applied by a Retailer or a Trading company (Importers or Exporters) in order to conceal the original manufacturer or supplier source. This practice was most common ca 1900 - 1930s, which probably dates your Set. As Peter says in his main article on ceramics marks (https://www.figurines-sculpture.com/pottery-marks.html) there are certain clues to look out for when identifying pottery markings - a bit like Sherlock Holmes it's "Elementary when you know how, my dear Watson". For us, passing on those clues to our members is fun and satisfying - a win-win!

Anyway, more about Schmidt.... A. Schmidt & Sons is the name of this Retailer or Trading Company, most likely out of New York or Boston. The items appear to be probably of German origin, but the original pottery mark is unfortunately only partially visible through one of these over-marks on the Plate and we cannot distinguish any specific details that will give us any specific clues.

Hope that gives you an insight into your china collection.

John (admin)

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Reply by Peter (admin):

The following page is a 'must see' if you are researching fine china - for value and identification:-

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Best regards,

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PORCELAIN MARKS ON TOP OF PORCELAIN MARKS
by: Peter (admin)

Thanks again John. Your team's knowledge never ceases to amaze. It must take a lifetime of study of pottery marks to get to the point where you can identify china marks to the extent where you can be so accurate in your answers to members queries.

The fact that trading companies put their own mark over the makers, takes the art of pottery mark clues to another level.

Thanks for the useful contribution.

Peter (admin)
I have the same mark
by: brett

I recently purchased a set of four Cups and Saucers from an Antique store and they had managed to remove a small portion of the Gold Crown paint on one of the Saucers - underneath were the words 'Limoges France' it looks like the Type face used by P&L (Limoges)and is a green ink.
Hope this helps.
W+Crown Plates
by: Anonymous


I have 7 dinner plates with a wide green band and gold banding on the edge. It is possible that
"A. Schmidt & Sons" was Anthony Schmidt who dealt in porcelain and old silver. They had a shop, I believe, on Fifth Avenue in the early 1900's.
However, my plates have the name"E.Schmidt & Co. Southampton, NY." The plates are from my Great Uncles home, after he passed away in 1983. He was one of three sons of Anthony Schmidt, who I believe to be the A.Schmidt & Sons your inquirer is referring to. My great uncle, through his life, had shops in Bar Harbor,Me, Southampton , NY, as well as Palm Beach, Fla.
Crown W
by: Thomas Briggs

A late 19th to early 20th c Bohemian decorating studio mark of Winter & co, in what is now the Karlovy Vary region of the Czech Repub. They sold to Schmidt and also to Charles Reizenstein. They were later bought out but this mark was used up till about 1910.
matching 2-handle cup w/saucer
by: Betty Nevill

I have one two-handle cup with saucer matching your set.
Gold crown mark
by: Anonymous

I have a tea set by A Schmidt & son also with the gold crown with a W underneath. Why did these companies want to cover up the manufacturer mark?


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Reply by Peter (admin)

One of the reasons is that decorating studios used to buy in whiteware from a quality manufacturer and then put their own patterns, painting, enamels and decorations on.

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